Who is the mole?! Is Brody completely innocent? Is Saul?!
I suspected Saul last season, almost seems to obvious
Maybe it was Jess and Dana, I was hoping those two would get taken out at some point.
I'm hoping that the show finds its way again by focusing on Carrie and Saul for S3 because they are by far the two most compelling characters.
Something VERY weird about Brody knowing to get them out of there in time.
Don't think Saul is the mole but Brody cannot be innocent at all not can Carrie. She has aided a terrorism suspect escape the country (supposedly) and even though he didn't perform the bombing, the collateral damage from his Abu Nazir relationship & the ultimate bombing has to make his agreement with the CIA null and void, right?
In season one, I think it was episodes 9 and 10, Saul in two different occasions had clear hand twitches in the same way Brody had hand twitches in the pilot episode. There's no way this was an accident. The camera again focused on Saul's hands late in season 2.
Basically what I'm saying is that he's up to no good.
I just felt that this season was so much more implausible and it's because carrie's relationship with Brody effectively makes her a terrorist or at least someone who supports it, right? I get the whole love vs job aspect but why doesn't the CIA follow Brody more than they did after he was busted? Regardless, the mole has to be alive and that makes Saul a candidate but who else is alive that is plausible? The writers really went with a clean slate even down to Vice President's son and the hit and run situation
As mentioned previously, I am a bit worried the show has jumped the shark a bit. I wasn't sure how the writers were going to maneuver themselves out of the corner they painted themselves in after S1, but this show became a little too 24-ish at points.
The plea deal with Brody was already a bit of a stretch. Let you off the hook for possible conspiracy in the murder of an aide, and attempted murder of a few congressmen AND the VP? Sure, why not!
The extended periods of a US Congressmen going AWOL, covering up the murder of the tailor, the Hit and Run by Daria and her bf. Hopefully the show will go back to its original pace where they focused more on "the long game".
Because I wasn't able to watch Homeland until about a month ago (long story), I wasn't able to participate in any discussions as it went along and also avoided reading anything on the internet, so I'm playing catchup on a lot of theories. That said, you just have to suspend your disbelief a lot with this show, which is both part of the fun but also part of the frustration.
I mean I love the show and watched it in 2 sittings but am i the only one who thinks that Brody and Carrie are the most unlikeable main characters on a popular show in some time? I liked Carrie until midway through S2 but then it became a tad annoying and her crying didn't help. Nor did SNL's brilliant skit making fun of her crying and Brody's insanely small mouth
I'm not sure that we're looking at the romance so much as Carrie working to clear Brody's name.
What a crazy 180 we've done since the first episode. Carrie thought Brody was a terrorist and everybody thought he was a hero. Now everyone thinks he's a terrorist and she thinks he's...well not a hero...but that he didn't bomb the CIA.
@Matt - I'm Jewish and have lived in NYC for 20 years, so maybe I just see it everywhere, but I feel like they've worked hard to make it obvious that Saul is Jewish (even beyond the name) with his mannerisms and other little things. I can't quite explain it but it is interesting to me that you were surprised by that.
Perhaps lack of exposure down south plays part in to it, but
I think it is more on the angle that I had never really pondered what religion the character might be. To be honest, the first time I really started wondering what affiliation he was wasn't until the last few eps.
Seemed like only the Brody conversion was where religion played a factor, plot-wise.
I think the part of the show to really focus on our the scenes like when Carrie interrogates Brody. Those are what keep me coming back for more. Also question who the mole is not how you should be watching the show. It's about the characters and their relationships. Also no way Saul is the Mole. He is the steady rock of the show and his character should never go away.
Nazir and Brody planned this entire thing out when Brody disappeared for 24 hours. In season 1, Carrie said that Tom Walker sniping Liz Gaines & company down wasn't big enough for Nazir - it was only part of the plan. Back to season 2, Nazir knew he wasn't going to leave the states alive so he sacrificed himself to get vice prez Walden (just a small part of the bigger plan). Obviously, after the death of the vice prez, there would be a funeral with all the important officials present - the funeral was the main target all along. Brody manipulated Carrie into thinking that he loved her. When Brody killed Walden, Carrie was convinced that they were soulmates/destined to be together. Brody knew she would help him escape. Does this make sense?
I agree with Allen's reading as bombing the funeral is a real life terrorist MO. Always the plan. And good insight from Adam above, always follow the casting for clues! Two modest proposals for the next season: a pivot toward Israel-Palestine as the geopolitical milieu that gets personal for Saul (the broader Arab Spring is too intractable and they've played out Afghanistan/Iraq/Drones) AND look for traps designed by Estes and/or Walden to take effect after their passing (just like Nazir). Less modest: Brody decides everyone is better off without him and ends his own life but the mayhem continues for one more season (where he lives on in flashbacks?). The upside here is a string of charming British gangster flicks staring Lewis starts ASAP.
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On the mole - I think many of us would love to ascribe blame or responsibility to a mole - some character in the show who we've thought to be good but is now seemingly bad - because it helps us reconcile the insane blast scene. Without getting too meta about this, I personally think this was the "long tail" play on Nazir's part. For someone as calculating as he was, I think this fits. That said, it doesn't exclude Brody's lingering involvement as you pointed out when you mentioned the timing of him getting he and Carrie out before the blast. But then it's all like...
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who moved the car? Which some would argue is logical evidence that a mole (aside from Brody) would exist. While this may, in fact, be the case, I think there's also reason enough to argue that Brody was either aided by some yet-to-be-named character or moved it himself (something that could have been hidden with cheeky cinematography).
Miscellaneous. Also super curious about Dar Abdul - such a shady character and that convo he had with Saul re: what qualifies someone as a "true" spy was rather telling. I think the whole notion behind espionage being something that not only blurs boundaries but blatantly plays multiple sides could fit here.
Hmm.. but remember Saul was in possession of the most damning intel thus far against Brody. The memory card. "My name is Nicholas Brody. By the time you’ve watched this, you will have read a lot of things about me…." But what did he do with it? Has Saul used this to draw attention away from himself? If Carie & Brody were suppose to be in the blast & die with everyone else then this would tidy things up for Saul. Who's got the most to gain? Saul is now in charge as he is now the senior officer. He was really pissed at being polygraphed & held for 3 days prior by the CIA director who wanted to take Brody "out". Why was Saul so upset at this.. Maybe Brody is Sauls scapegoat?
The Saul theory is solid. I do believe he would kill Estes and Walden. But he wouldn't do it that way. He would be surgical. He would minimize collateral damage. That's what separates the good guys from the bad guys in his worldview. That's why he hates Estes and Walden to begin with. Let's give Saul more credit. I think he's smart, ethical, the slow knife.
It wasn't Quinn. He got all mushy about killing Brody before and had no motive. He had the chance to kill Estes earlier if he wanted. I don't necessarily think there even is a mole. It could just be some other associate of Nazir's. Clearly he had more people working with him, such as the guys who released the tape of Brody and a statement claiming responsibility for the bombing.
No way the mole is Saul. The terrorists released the tape -- there were multiple copies floating around the Middle East. Plus, with Estes gone, Law of Conservation of Characters dictates he will stick around, moving up the CIA food chain (didn't they mention him briefing the president?).
One thing that bugs me is how the mole (the existence of which is a know fact from back in season 1) was conveniently not mentioned for long stretches of time. Sloppy.
Although there is one strong argument in favor of Saul -- Mandy Patinkin's predilection for leaving shows quickly. See Chicago Hope, Criminal Minds.
Is there anyway to rehabilitate Brody's character after this season? Hard to see how, innocent or guilty.
Haha Chris. I am kind of hoping we just don't see the family much.
They need to give Mike something to do, he such a fringe character at the moment.
I think Quinn is "good" but it will be interesting to see how he responds to this news, not just of the bomb but of Carrie protecting Brody. Quinn clearly has a code (he is Omar like in this way), since he refused to do Estes' bidding.
Why not what's his name, who nearly died in the ambush at the shop? Why bother bringing him back if he means nothing?
Hey Cyn! I agree regarding Mike -- they need to either make him a more active character, or drop him. Unless they make him a bigger part of the show, I fail to see how Jess remains part of the show either, which sucks, as I like her.
Yeah, the ambiguity of Carrie's survival and Brody's missing body could be a problem for Quinn.
Galves, wasn't it? I dunno, the mole storyline seems to be "Lost writing", i.e., they don't have any idea where they are going with it.
Where can they go with Brody? He did help kill the VP, and Carrie knows it. I think he will popup next season as an "out" terrorist. They could spend 2 seasons trying to catch him.
I am still flabbergasted Carrie got to just walk in, come on people.
Galves, yes that is his name, he could be a mole, but watch it be the guy sitting third left on episodes 3.
Brody's storyline has run its course, I am more interested in Quinn, Dar Adul, & Saul then I am about Brody or how Carrie feels about him.
I actually like Mike but he needs something to do, him looking into Brody with the drunk marine was interesting. They keep trying to do something with him but its so half hearted
If there's really a mole then there are three characters that it absolutely cannot be: Carrie (duh), Brody, and Saul. The story has almost exclusively been delivered from the perspective of one or more of these three. To drop the bomb that Saul was the mole would mean that he was doing things all along that we weren't seeing. This would be a huge mistake and would alienate most of the audience. The reason many of you have ruled out Quinn is because of the scenes that were from his perspective (where we see him decide against killing Brody and confront Estes).
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